Great Crested Flycatcher (Myiarchus crinitus) 2008-9-13 Cape May, NJ

2017-9-3: Two more birds ( maybe Great Crested Flycatchers and maybe not) had me going for a good part of the day! :o)

Yesterday, 9/2/17, eileeninmd (a woman I haven't met, but whose blog I follow) posted a photo of two birds and she wasn't sure if they were Eastern Phoebes or Eastern Wood Pewees.
http://viewingnaturewitheileen.blogspot.com/2017/09/saturdays-critters-194.html
Well, as is often the case with unknowns, neither was I. I rose to the bait and after spending entirely too much time (what else would I do :o) ) I wrote her and wondered if maybe they might be Great Crested Flycatchers. She said although she has those she doesn't think that's what they are because they don't show yellow.

Yesterday I had checked the birds by turning up the saturation in the photo and they did show yellow. That wouldn't be possible if there were no yellow to begin with. I also ran across an article that said, I think, that JUVs or juv females have buffy/rusty wingbars. I can't find that article again today, of course, grrr.

I do still have the link to a picture of buffy wing bars (of a juv female?) at:
http://hughvandervoort.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Great-Crested-Flycatcher-60.jpg
same picture at:
http://hughvandervoort.com/?attachment_id=9711
I don't know anything about the site or its accuracy.
In the same vein, there is:
https://www.wbu.com/chipperwoods/photos/gcfly.htm
near the end of the "General Information" section they say that juveniles have more rufous in the outer tail feathers and therefore that's a good indication for aging a bird.

EOL org says:
http://eol.org/pages/916843/details#diagnostic_description
under their "morphology" section that "This species does not display any sexual dimorphism."

If that's the case (that females and males don't show differences - meaning the adults), then perhaps that underlines that Eileen's is indeed a juvenile. And, if a juvenile, this would also account for me for what seems a darker bill.

I'll get a notification if Eileen ever finds out for sure what those birds are and she changes the page. Until then I'm still clueless! :o)

p.s. - didn't think they were Phoebes or Pewees because of all the rust in the wing and tail