Great-Grandparents: Johann MEYER (1877-1930) and Margarete SEYFFERTH (1875-1942)
Died: Sep. 23, 1930 - Glashütten #70, Germany (Poppenwiese)
Father:
Mother:
Married: Margarete Seyfferth
Born: Sep. 5, 1875
Died: July 13, 1942
Children:
Elisabeth Meyer Born: Aug. 28, 1900 Glashütten, Germany Died: Jan. 23, 1987 Philadelphia, PA, USA
Konrad Meyer Born: Dec. 22, 1902 Creez, Germany Died: Aug. 18, 1970 Philadelphia, PA, USA
Johann Meyer Born: Aug. 5, 1904 Glashütten, Germany Died: Jan. 16, 1978 Philadelphia, PA, USA (Married Johanna, maiden name unknown)
(Johanna left Johann (John) after two months. There was no divorce. He never remarried. No one knows why she left. He came home one day and she was gone. Another family secret put to rest. This info from Aunt Gretel/Uncle Harry and my parents. -K)
Margarete Meyer (married Harry Kamm) Born: Sep. 23, 1905 Glashütten, Germany Died: March 16, 2000 Philadelphia, PA, USA
Lina Rosina Meyer (married Eberhardt Neuner) Born: Nov. 4, 1907 Glashütten, Germany Died: Oct. 26, 2012
August Meyer Born: 1909 Died: 1936 Glashütten, Germany (Birth and Death years for August Meyer from Erika Neuner, Glashütten, Germany.) As I recall being told, he was a sickly child and died a young man from some common disease of those days. -K)
Out-of wedlock children by Hans:
(Although there is some truth to illegitimate children there is no way to know with any certainty the status of all names below, and I would urge caution, please.)
(Johann was a known womanizer. His wife left him for that and also money reasons while pregnant with Konrad, and is the reason that Konrad was born in Creez and not in Glashütten. She stayed there, with her sister, until after Konrad was born. How long she stayed after that, I don't remember. -K)
(My memory is of my mother, Margarete BÄRNREUTHER Meyer telling me of one certain and possibly a second woman as illegitimate children of Hans. I don't recall their names. -K)
This is the list, from Erika Neuner, of 3 illegitimate children by Johann (Hans).
Erika says three out of wedlock:
1) A son, Hans Meyer, with Margarete Seyfferth the niece of his wife:
2) Hans Seyfferth was a "Marienesoldat" and died in World War II.
(I tried to find out what a Marienesoldat is and the closest I can come
is that perhaps it's a misspelling of "Marinesoldat", or Marine Soldier,
what we would call a Marine or a Sailor. Any ideas?)
3) Margarete Seyfferth (nickname Reta and married Karl Schmidt)
Born Jan. 1919. Date of death, unknown
Children of Reta Seyfferth: Helmut, Hertha, Gisela
Comments
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on 2010-Mar-16 16:39:34 Anonymous coward said Deb
He had a glass eye, right? Oh, you gotta include that interesting tidbit of a story... -
on 2010-Mar-16 18:10:36 Balcony Birder said
You just did! I didn't know that! Or maybe I forgot. (sigh) I was wondering why he had his eyes closed in the picture . . . -
on 2010-Mar-16 18:37:23 Balcony Birder said
Good idea. Just sent him an eMail. -
on 2010-Mar-16 21:03:33 Anonymous coward said Doug
Trust me, the tradition of sleeping in chairs lives on! -
on 2010-Mar-16 22:37:20 Balcony Birder said
Nobody, but nobody, I think, can top Aunt Gretel. In Wildwood she was famous for falling asleep mid-sentence. (!) I'm glad that (so far) that particular gene seems to have passed me by. :o) -
on 2010-Mar-17 23:44:51 Anonymous coward said Peter
zzzzzz -
on 2010-Apr-15 23:05:08 Balcony Birder said
@ DEB
I spoke with Walter a few days ago. He tells me the man was blind in one eye and, yes, he had a glass eye. He says the part about the bull gouging the eye could be true, it sounds vaguely familiar to him. He also said that it wasn't Johann B. (your great-grandfather) that was famous for falling asleep anywhere, it was your grandfather Konrad. There are many stories of Opa Meyer falling asleep anywhere, most famously with burning cigarettes. Walter said he never heard any stories about Johann B. falling asleep easily. -
on 2011-Jun-10 16:33:04 Anonymous coward said Deb
Here is info I obtained from lineage written in Oma Gretel's hand. Let me know if there are contradictions.
Johann Meyer died 11/19/1930
Johann (Uncle John) Meyer died 1/16/1978
August born 4/16/1909, died when he was around 30 -
on 2011-Jun-10 16:34:19 Anonymous coward said Deb
Shoot....Johann died 11/NINE/1930 -
on 2011-Jun-10 16:43:43 Balcony Birder said
@ Deb - Thanks. I've added the date Uncle John died. That sounds about right. I had down late 70's early 80's. He was buried just after a blizzard. Narrow Philly streets, cars on both sides and plowed in with snow. That was an unusual day. -
on 2011-Jun-10 16:47:45 Balcony Birder said
@ Deb - I'm going to hold off changing the date of death for Johann Meyer the elder... I also have a list of dates written in my mother's hand. I'm not saying your wrong. Am just wanting to wait to see a copy of what you have and compare it to what I have. I can't even check what I have until I find it again. So, for now will leave the date as is. It's entirely within the realm of possibility that I made another mistake. (gasp) :D -
on 2011-Jun-10 16:52:11 Balcony Birder said
@ Deb - I decided the best course of action was to at least also enter the date you have so as to draw people's attention to the discrepancy, until it's settled. -
on 2011-Jun-10 16:55:51 Balcony Birder said
@ Deb - In addition to Aunt Gretel's and Aunt Elizabeth's, Walter and Betty have Uncle John's death certificate, too. They've already said they would let me know when they find it, so it's just a matter of time until they run across it. -
on 2011-Jun-10 18:21:50 Balcony Birder said
@ Deb - I removed the notation under his date of death that you have different information (your disagreement is still here in the comments). I've scanned the picture front and back and I can say with great certainty that this is my mother's handwriting. :o) If there's even the slightest doubt, I have letters from her. Please take a look at the next picture I put up a minute ago. It clearly states that Johann Meyer died Sep. 23, 1930. Feedback welcome. -
on 2011-Jun-10 18:25:33 Balcony Birder said
@ Deb - Is it possible for you to take a picture of the part where my mother writes that Johann Meyer died on 11/9/1930 and send it to me so that I can post it also? If you have that in my mother's handwriting, then we have a *real* discrepancy. If so, it will be challenging and fun to figure it out! :o) -
on 2011-Jun-11 10:54:20 Balcony Birder said
@ all - just moved the pic with mother's dates to a new album called Vital Stats Documentation here: https://w3.dstutz.com/~karen/g1/vital-stats-docs/aaa
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